To Judge or Not To Judge: Measuring CC Unit’s Actions
Do right. It’s the basic, fundamental rule that helps form the foundation of the fabric of societies. However, this seemingly-basic rule can lead to legally-gray waters in cases of vigilantism: the action of a member of the public taking justice and the work of law enforcement into his or her own hands.
The Cougar Chronicle recently published a news article highlighting the opening of an investigation into a CSUSM employee’s alleged misconduct with someone posing as a minor.
Importantly, the article in question also mentioned the contents of a video published by a vigilante group calling themselves Creep Catchers Unit (abbreviated as CC Unit) on the content-sharing website BitChute.
CC Unit was founded by an unnamed 21-year-old male calling himself “Ghost.” Ghost handles his own investigations and subsequent “busts” of those who he believes are illegally acting on their pedophilia. These busts involve him posing as a minor to lure alleged pedophiles into meeting with him in a public place, where he proceeds to “expose” them via camera. His investigations, evidence (usually chat room messages and texts) and “busts” are then compiled into relatively-short videos which he posts on BitChute.
If the aforementioned university investigation finds the allegations to be true, then this leaves us and law enforcement with a sticky web of issues at hand: Was Ghost’s CC Unit right to take justice into its own hands without the blessing and guidance of law enforcement? When they met, was Ghost illegally recording the alleged suspect? Can Ghost’s action of arranging a meeting with the alleged suspect be considered entrapment (which, according to an article published on the business journalism website Quartz, is the act of tricking someone into committing a crime)? If the investigation advances into court proceedings, can the alleged suspect claim that they knew beforehand that they were actually meeting with an adult who was only role-playing as a child?
These are difficult and multi-layered questions to answer.
Vigilantism is an understandably-enticing idea: Doing what law enforcement cannot or has not done (out of either choosing to classify the matter as low-priority or an honest lack of knowledge on the matter) makes people feel powerful, as if they have their own superpower. Helping the thin blue line that is law enforcement sounds noble. Especially if no one seems to be doing anything about, or else has any knowledge on, the allegedly-illegal actions of an individual. The injustice of such individuals getting away with and continuing their alleged actions can be too much for some to stomach. With all the negativity, polarizing discussions and hope-sucking topics floating around the world and the internet in particular, it’s no wonder the idea of being a Batman, the caped crusader who graces comic books and TV shows and movies alike, and bringing their own brand of justice against criminals, especially pedophiles, is so attractive to a member of the public.
But like Batman, engaging in vigilantism carries its own share of dangers. Similar to the questions posed above, what vigilantes do risks providing a legal out for the alleged suspect. If a court rules that seemingly-strong evidence was illegally obtained, then bye-bye conviction. For example, if the alleged suspect’s attorney successfully proves that their client supposedly knew in advance of the meeting that the child was an adult who was only role-playing, then that video evidence is up in smoke.
Perhaps the alleged suspect, after the bust, will either commit suicide or else attempt to destroy and tamper with evidence they have in their possession. Leave the country, maybe? Go into hiding? Change his or her identity or appearance?
Worse yet, according to Section 632 of California State Penal Code, Ghost’s recording of the alleged suspect without their knowledge could be considered illegal. Assuming that the alleged suspect’s attorney can demonstrate that the meeting between Ghost and their client was confidential and that the setting where they met wasn’t a location where they could reasonably expect to be overheard or recorded at. What I cannot conclude for certain was if the conditions set forth in subsection d of section 632 of CA penal code were met pertaining to if the evidence obtained in the fashion that Ghost recorded it is indeed admissible (I.e. allowed as evidence in the case).
I’ve chosen only some of the possibilities, but I hope you get the point: As good as it seems, I believe that taking vigilantism beyond just alerting law enforcement to get them probable cause or other rights via a court order to begin their own investigation can be more problematic than it is helpful. This is not to slight the work of Ghost in any way, shape or form. Rather, it is my hope that, if the alleged suspect did indeed intend to commit misconduct with a minor, the alleged suspect’s conviction come about as swiftly and easily as possible with the help of Ghost’s actions and evidence. I truly hope that Ghost completed his gathering of evidence and his bust of the alleged suspect as legally as possible to avoid the complications and heartbreak of evidence being ruled as inadmissible (i.e. not allowed as evidence in the case).
I hope reading this shed some light on the issues at hand for both those who are familiar with the subject matter of the article we recently ran and those who are only hearing about it now. I encourage you to look up the videos yourself. Research the law. Form your own conclusions. Don’t take my word for it.
Above all, despite how gross the allegation is if true, remember to try to reserve your judgment on the suspect for until due process is served. Due process under the law is what, by principle, separates our law-dependent society apart from those where street law is king, where the only rule is an eye for an eye, and where tit for tat is commonplace.
I have not felt the pain of a parent lamenting what they could have done to prevent their son or daughter from becoming the victim of a pedophile. I cannot pretend to understand the frustration and the thirst for vengeance such a parent must feel. I cannot fairly sit here and preach from atop a high chair of supposed morality that a parent who suffers such things should not seek to exact revenge merely because I think doing so is “against the law.” Shoot, the law that should have protected this hypothetical child should have itself prevented the communication that led to this hypothetical suffering.
But despite all of this, unfortunately, we must still hold some sort of opinion here. One student I spoke with said, “I personally feel like he (the suspect) should be fired at a professional workplace environment. I believe due process is the law in a government proceeding but to be accused while working at the GEC, it’s not excusable. I believe ghost was a vigilante that served justice long before any authority figures would have found out and I believe Ghost is doing the right thing when the school tries to cover up these kind of incidences.”
Another had a similar opinion, adding, “If he (Ghost) wants to risk himself in any way doing what he does while under the guise as a child then more power to him. I’m not aware of any laws in CA that make his actions illegal.”
So in the spirit of compromise, I implore you: Try to be fair in your judgments, Cougars, at least until due process is served. I know it can’t be easy if you’ve suffered abuse, nor if you try your hardest to imagine the feelings you’d feel if you were in the shoes of a pedophile victim’s parents or family members.
But still, try. That’s all we can do for now.
IamTerrific • Oct 10, 2021 at 2:38 pm
Why doesnt cc unit call the cops instead of threatening to do so if the perp doesn’t answer their questions? Is this show about getting these pedos arrested or is it just to embarass them? This is why I believe this channel is just as bad as the alkeged pedo.
Amy • Mar 17, 2021 at 7:47 pm
Much support and respect for organizations like CC Unit. I think they’re doing our community a huge service by exposing these ill minded adults. Regardless of their strategies, a responsible and mature adult wouldn’t take the bait and interact with minors. Minors are all over the web and often times lie about their age to gain access to platforms online. As an adult, the moment you find out someone isn’t of age and is in fact a minor (ex. 13, 14, etc), you halt all communications, report, and block/unfriend these minors. YOU DO NOT, continue to engage and converse. Any responsible adult knows this. Otherwise if you continue to talk to a minor specifically engaging in sexual and explicit language, you are sick and need a therapist or GOD to cleanse your mental health. THANK YOU SO MUCH CC UNIT!
Jng • Feb 12, 2023 at 11:59 am
Why would you want to catfish people online and posing as an adult on an adult dating site with false pretenses and minimizing vigilantism like you think it’s a game? It is not a game you’re playing with other people’s lives. You’re a bully.
It’s entrapment if you lure them to a different social media site into an out of context conversation, its also cyberstalking if you go to their workplace and harass them.
I seen ghost harass an innocent person and call him a skinhead.
Thats why these guys get banned from stores doing stunts like this.
I dont he just be grown man and hand the cops cellphone so they can see all the evidence instead of wasting their time, what is CC Unit hiding on his cellphone?
Koopa High • Jan 14, 2021 at 6:21 pm
The foo who wrote the article… Is wrong on more then a few things. It’s not entrapment because THEY AREN’T LAW ENFORCEMENT. You have to be law enforcement for it to be entrapment.and the laws are so sh***y that child molesters and pedifiles, (even with evidence or after a child already been sexually assulted) get a mere slap on the wrist and post bail. Who cares if the evidence is lsnt admissible in court! Now that fools up on the internet (along with their disgusting chat messages) for they’re friends and family, kids and relatives, employer and the homies in the hood, and EVERYONE TO SEE who they are. Lol they would need to literally watch their back for the rest of their lives and that’s a beautiful thing. They should tattoo the word CHOMO on all their foreheads if not capital punishment. F*** all chomos and those who defend their “rights”. Chris hansen is a triple OG living legend who birthed this Pedo Catching sh**…
CC Unit
Predator Poachers
Predator Poachers Alliance
Dads Against Predators
Keen N Zerk
Hunted And Confronted
GOTCHA Predators
No Games For Wierdos
Predator Poachers Toronto
Predator Poachers Michigan
Predator Poachers Florida
I respect and support ALL THEM
Carly Davis • Oct 2, 2020 at 12:55 am
Anyone who believe it is only a true crime, once a child’s life is Ruined is ridiculous. Why should anyone ever allow it to get to that point? I personally love that the CC unit is flipping the script. Exposing the truth, and ruining the lives of the real people who deserve it. No child should ever have to worry about such evil preying on them in the world. Why should the innocence of a minor have to be taken away to look at this problem seriously? Often time just tossed aside till multiple victims have been found assaulted. It’s [BS]. Also.. just so everyone knows, minors claim to be older then they are all the time! Whether it be on the internet, chat rooms, liquor store, or on an application to a good job.. yes the reasons are endless. I know plenty of people lying about more then just there age. And tons of adults that state they are younger then they truly are Simply because they don’t wanna be looked at as old and would rather look more appealing to the viewer. So f*** anyone who claims minors don’t lie about there age. They do all the time. For both good and bad intention but none the less it happens. I don’t think that a minor lying about Their age to be allowed into an app, or chat room is a smart idea.. but I’ll give you one scenario right now that I’m sure should be looked at as justifiable for the circumstance. Imagine a child trying to figure out who they are.. and why they are having feeling towards the same sex.. really needing some guidance and someone wiser to talk to. But there parents and family would dis own them, kick them out, or all kinds of terrible things for the possibility of there child turning out gay.. it’s sad but it happens. By going on a chat room often times the can find confirmation, acceptance, and someone who they can confide in without the harsh ridicule. They can seek answers and advise from people who have already come out. It could be a very empowering thing. I’f looked at and left at exactly that.. you don’t need to experiment with these pedos to find out.. you don’t need to be taken advantage of. And these children should not feel shamed that they lied about there age to seek some education in what could be a helpful source. F*** the a**holes that seek for opportunities like this to ruin lives for there own sexual satisfaction. They deserve to be exposed at the very least.
The cc unit make me have hope in this evil world that maybe my child could be given the opportunity for a normal healthy childhood without having to always be sheltered and constantly be looking over there shoulder!
I back the CC unit to the fullest.
Where / how can I donate??
We love you guys!
WebSocialMediaManager • Oct 4, 2020 at 9:42 pm
Are you asking about donating to CC Unit or The Cougar Chronicle?
Brent Winkel • Aug 5, 2020 at 12:06 am
So the person above me(Brian) believes that minors don’t use the internet. I guess he thinks that when a Porn site/Hook Up site asks, Are You 18 and above that that magically deters actual minors from accessing the sites. He also feels that crimes of opportunity are no big deal. I hope he leaves his keys in his car someday. Apparently a real minor, when asked if they will tell on the Predator, is forced by God to say Yes. Yes I will tell on you so don’t come near me and by the way, I am a Cop. The Predators are the ones in the position of power. They have free will and are in no way entrapped by a minor, real or fake. He just talked about these horny men and their crimes of opportunity. Apparently crimes of opportunity is just another word for entrapment. He just wants the people to roam the streets until after they have ruined a kids life. Any person who can’t control their sexual desires to the point of getting in a f***ing car or taking a 1 hour bus ride to meet what they believe is a minor should be 12 feet under ground because I respect the dead and don’t believe they should be forced to be on the same level(geographically) as these Pedo’s.
BRIAN • Apr 19, 2020 at 3:36 pm
I think it’s immoral the way Ghost (CC Unit) & other Predator Catchers go about making adults predators. Why are they on a gay app which is designed for adults to hook up, chat, etc.? The alleged suspect wasn’t there to commit pedophilia. No one should advertise themselves as being 18 yrs old & then switch the info & say that they are 13-15 yrs old. The fake decoy shouldn’t lure a person in by lying, consenting & enticing. Some people are impulsive. Some people were just horny & just thought they would get away with it by the decoys false assurances (i.e. I’m not a cop, I never tell, etc.). The Predator Catchers shouldn’t be ruining people’s lives. A real minor likely wouldn’t have been on an adult dating site. A real minor also likely wouldn’t have lured the alleged predator in if s/he didn’t want sex, etc. Neither would a consenting minor seek to get the alleged predator in trouble. The whole catch (scenario) seems like entrapment to me regardless of how the law deems it. For that & more reasons this type of vigilantism shouldn’t be allowed nor their “evidence” be admissable. – The only way to catch a true predator should be in the act, by hidden camera(s) – when a minor had already been victimized. That way no one puts themselves into the category of a “predator” by a fake minor decoy’s luring, lies & consent.